was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. Prices have skyrocketed on the Models 05, 07, 10. I read back in the 1980s a couple of gunsmith were doing conversation of 30 Carbine rifles to 45 Win. The Legend could certainly bring down an elk, but possible is not the same as ideal. If youre looking for a do-it-all cartridge, the .30-30 will likely serve you better. This is a bolt action rifle with a 5round internal magazine and sports a 22 blued steel barrel with visible rif WINCHESTER 1873 MUSKET 44-40 30. I spent it all on guns and ammo. This makes sense: the Legend was developed specifically for use in Midwestern whitetail states that require straight-wall cases. The .30 Carbine cartridge was developed by Winchester and is basically a rimless .30 caliber (7.62mm) version of the much older .32 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge of 1906 introduced for the Winchester Model 1905 rifle. Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. The 32 WSL duplicated the 32-40 ballistics. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Reloading Centerfire Ammunition: Tips For Getting Started, Shooting and Loading the 6.8x43 mm Rem. Its too bad that no other companies picked up the 32 WSL, 35 WSL, 351WSL and 401 WSL . has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. can drive the same weight bullet a bit faster. 80% BLUE, NICE BORE. WINCHESTER 30-30 M#94. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. Right now, I think that the Browning BLR lever-action rifle is the only production gun left on the market in .358 Win. And with Winchester, Ruger, Mossberg and other companies making bolt action rifle in 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster, maybe they could make a run of rifles in 351 WSL and 401 WSL too., with 5 and 10 round magazines. One of the oldest and most popular cartridges of all time, the .30-30 Winchester, was released in 1895 and has been bringing down all manner of game ever since. Even so, the Model 1903 rifle was fairly popular and sold approximately 120,000 examples over a production life of 33 years. You want to look for a Marlin Camp Carbine in 9mm. I read somewhere that Olympic Arms made a bunch of 30 carbine uppers for Isreal back in the 90s. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .30 M1 Carbine vs .30-30 Winchester ammo rounds. Nominally they weighed 180 grains, were usually jacketed softpoints and were propelled from the 20-inch barrel of the Model 1907 at about 1,800 fps. Check out GunBroker. 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But these arent normal times. It was introduced in the bolt-action Model 70 in which it was trustworthy, but boring. Rifles; Sako Rifles; Savage Rifles. [9], The popularity of the M1 carbine for collecting, sporting, and re-enactment use has resulted in continued civilian popularity of the .30 Carbine cartridge. Winchester took the lessons learned from the Model 1905 in stride and incorporated some changes into the new Winchester Model 1907 rifle and the accompanying .351 Winchester Self-Loading (.351 WSL) cartridge they released a few years later. Probably over half the Model 1907 and 1910 rifles Ive examined over the years have a cracked forearm. Mossberg .22 LR models 340 340A 340B 340M 342 342K 344 344K 346K 346B 350 350K 351 352 352K 353 Rifl Winchester mod. Hopefully the forearm wood isn't splintered up. I read Thompson made a experimental rifle in 351 WSL. [6] (. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. Accuracy was always regarded as fair at best from Model 07 carbines. Try Buffalo arms in Idaho for brass and bullets for reloading. Mag. NICE BRIGHT BORE. up to 0.358 inches and dubbed it the poor mans magnum.. The Model 1910 rifles were also prone to cracking of the forearm. Do not take the 1907 apart. The Taurus Raging Thirty and AMT AutoMag III were also offered in .30 Carbine.[10]. The Big Game Hunting Blog is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com, Amazon.co.uk, Amazon.ca, Amazon.com.au, and other Amazon stores worldwide. OVERALL LENGTH 38? Joined: Dec 2008. While a few gun writers in the 1960s criticized the .351 SL for being inadequate as a deer hunting round, and the round's power has sometimes been compared to a .357 Magnum carbine load, the .351 SL's killing power falls somewhere between the .30-30 Winchester and the .35 Remington. This is the Winchester 61 chambered in .22LR Long Rifle with a blued metal with a length of 23 1/2in. 30 Carbine 22 HRN390562 7 LEE90524 19 LY7738060 17 RCBS09217 22 RED11022 30 Gibbs 1 HRN390541 2 LEE90519 2 LY7738041 3 RCBS09203 1 RED11001 30 Herrett 2 HRN390542 3 LEE90520 6 LY7738045 2 RCBS09202 2 RED11002 . .30-30 Win, .35 Rem, .351 WSL, a.o., sizes. Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. from a 20-inch barrel. This is an Oviedo 1916 Spanish mauser chambered in .308 Winchester. the Henry's seem to be very solid and the action is danged smooth. Its a similar story at other online outlets. As the winner of two out of three categories, the .30-30 Winchester deserves the overall nod. I have all the calibers but short the 401 s and the 22 autos ,can you reload or sell a dox of each. Dubbed by Winchester as the "fastest straight-walled hunting cartridge in the world," the 350 Legend certainly seems to be designed to fill a particular role in those states which limit big-game hunters to straight-walled rifle cartridges. Ill bet its been awhile since those cartridges have been seen in a hunting camp. . Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. The first 100,000 cartridges manufactured were headstamped ".30 SL" (for "self-loading"). GunGeek # 7867163 07/03/13. The sad truth is that the active list of current .35-caliber rifles and cartridges is tragically short. But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. We determine a cartridges shootability by considering its cost, availability, and recoil energy. . I have a 35 wsl and am going to pick up a 351 wsl next week. ", Apostolic Exhortation On The Family, Pope John Paul II. 94 1946 excellent condition. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. Plainfield Machine produced M1 carbines from 1960 to 1977, when they were bought out by Iver Johnson Corp, who has manufactured them at least until a 50th anniversary model in 1993. predecessor, the Model 1907 was an immediate hit . Mag. Why the .35 Rem. Sold to Iver Johnson in 1983, the Enforcer continued in production until 1986. . It feels like you get an initial kick when the gun goes off, which is then followed immediately by even harder hit when the heavy movable actions parts slam to the rear of the rifle. Mag. Probably well over half of the production for the last ten years went to police organizations in the United States. We offer a 100% Authenticity Guarantee on all products sold on our website. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. *I have mentioned before that it is in fact theItalians who claimed the prize of first intermediate caliber to be adopted as standard issue, with their long but still very much intermediate 7.35x51mm round. plowed fresh ground. The .358 has 24 percent more energy at the muzzle than the .300 Win. Furthermore, the muzzle energy of a .30 M1 Carbine round averages out to 960 ft-lb, while a .30-30 Winchester round averages out to about 1890 ft-lb. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. Norma offers factory ammunition, E.R. In 1987 Remington made an honest cartridge out of the .35 Whelen. and is a good cartridge for hunting the thick woods for deer, hogs, black bear or even elk. The 35 Remington also uses a bullet about 18% heavier and with over 35% more frontal surface area (.1007 vs .0745 square inches). The velocity and energy figures in this table are taken from various sources including the Federal, Remington, Weatherby and Winchester ammunition guides and the 9th Edition of the book Cartridges of the World by Frank C. Barnes and edited by M.L. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. Since the sights on Model 1907's consisted of a blade front with open rear, its practical range was about 150 yards. The .30-30 Winchester and .35 Remington won't break any speed recordsthere's no doubt about that. They shot lever actions and bolt actions, and probably didnt understand semi auto rifles. When we pitted the 30 Carbine vs 5.56, the 5.56 won 7/10 categories and tied in two, thanks to its low recoil and high accuracy capabilities. With six rounds on tap, it makes a good hog-hunting gun as long as heavy shoulder bone is avoided. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. The .351 SL proved popular with police and security forces as the only chambering available in the model 1907, and was used by France in both world wars. The .356 Win. Area Code: 715. Our website lists special deals on 9mm Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 45-70 Ammo, 6.5 Creedmoor ammo, 300 Blackout Ammo, 10mm Ammo, 5.56 Ammo, Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore Ammo and more special deals on bulk ammo. Most used hard and put away wet. 24 inch barrel. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. Winchester offered .351 WSL factory loads loaded with 180 grain jacketed soft point (JSP), round nose bullets. EARLY 3 DIGIT SERIAL NUMBER 904. The M2 carbine was introduced late in World War II with a selective-fire switch allowing optional fully automatic fire at a rather high rate (850900 rpm) and a 30-round magazine. Mag. By comparison, the .30-06 M2 cartridge for M1 Garand rifle fired a ball bullet weighing 152 grains (9.8 g) at a muzzle velocity of 2,805ft/s (855m/s) and 2,655ftlbf (3,600 joules) of muzzle energy. Paul tests 357 magnum against 30 carbine out of a couple revolvers.Shirts and patches: https://www.tristartrading.com/collections/paul-harrell-official-store. Bottom line? From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. This gun is in excellent condition in its orignal hardcase with keys. And I thought .348 Win was tough to find. I have a 32 sl, 2 x 35 sl,351 and a 401. However, as a bottleneck cartridge, the .30-30 has a slight advantage at longer ranges. Therefore, the M1 carbine is significantly less powerful than the M1 Garand. [2], While a few gun writers in the 1960s criticized the .351 SL for being inadequate as a deer hunting round, and the round's power has sometimes been compared to a .357 Magnum carbine load, the .351 SL's killing power falls somewhere between the .30-30 Winchester and the .35 Remington. The US .30 cal M1 Carbine is one of the most important developments in the personal defense weapon story, being one of the very first* intermediate calibers to be adopted as standard issue by a nation, and arguably the first purpose-designed PDW caliber in history. Show Only Guns Know those parts well. Why the public abandoned it so quickly is a mystery to me. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. Winchester also produced a load firing a 250 grain bullet at 1,870 feet per second (1,942 ft-lbs of energy). I couldn't even begin to think of a reason to use such a bastard case/bullet size as the 351. However, the calibers available in the Model 1905, the .32 Self Loading (.32 SL) and the .35 Self Loading (.35 SL), were realistically pretty underpowered for satisfactory use on big game. . Military snipers wont be adopting either cartridge any time soon, but both enjoy a dedicated following of hunters who appreciate a medium-power option that can get the job done out to 250 yards. The .32 Self-Loading fired a 165 grain bullet at 1,390 feet per second (708 ft-lbs of energy) and the .35 Self-Loading fired a 180 grain bullet at 1,390 feet per second (772 ft-lbs of energy). Reply. Its overall length was 35.6 inches; it weighed 5.2 pounds, had a barrel length of 18 . The M1 and M2 carbines continued in service during the Korean War. too. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. . Show Only Non-Guns. Sure a .351 would have been better, but weight savings was a HUGE priority for the design of the M1 Carbine. The .351 WSL actually used .351-inch bullets. hit the market in 1895 paired with Winchester's now . If you had to pick the sexiest cartridges of the last decade, youd run through quite a few before you hit the .270 Winchester or .243 Winchester. The most popular cartridges for hunting and even target shooting begin and end with the thirties. You might already know this. One would think the 32WSL, 35 WSL, 351 WSL and 401 WSL would still be in use today. "[8], U.S. Army specifications for the new cartridge mandated the caliber to be greater than .27, with an effective range of 300 yards or more, and a midrange trajectory ordinate of 18 inches (460mm) or less at 300 yards. It was designed to improve the range and stopping power of the M1 carbine. [6] (The .30 Carbine's relatively straight case and round nose bullet have misled some to believe it was designed for use in pistols.) factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. Posts: 5,141 . At the same time though, the Remington Model 8 also kicks a lot more than you would expect considering the rather mild calibers they were chambered for. [5] Most ammunition available today for the .351 SL is produced by a few boutique manufacturers, often using either cast lead bullets or copper-plated bullets or, occasionally, .358 jacketed bullets resized to .351 or .352 caliber. The Model 1907 enjoyed a long production run of over 51 years and Winchester finally stopped manufacturing it in 1958. Spl. This is the Winchester model 1906 .22 LR pump action 20 in. The muzzle velocity was stated to be 1850 fps, and the muzzle energy 1370 ft.-lbs. When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. The weapon was originally issued with a 15-round detachable magazine. 110 grain .30 Carbine fired from the M-1: Remington Green/White: 1976 fps. The .351 SL cartridge used an unusual bullet diameter of .351 instead of the .357 or .358 more commonly used in .35-caliber rifle cartridges. If you get a GI M1 carbine (only ones worth considering) then youll have a REAL military weapon. Still, I hope its clear how closely these cartridges stack up. and the .32 Win. The .351 WSL cartridge is a up-powered stand-in for the .44-40 or .45 Colt, throwing a 180 grain bullet (softpoint or FMJ) at 1900 fps. 95% BARRELS, 85% RECEIVER AND N WINCHESTER 1400 20GA 28 MOD. These were theWinchester Self-Loading (WSL) rounds, including .32 WSL, .35 WSL, .351 WSL, and .401 WSL. Sadly, I cant find a single major gunmaker chambering this cartridge today. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. The loud blast is the most oft-mentioned characteristic of the .30 Carbine cartridge when fired in a handgun.[10]. Grizzly bears have been shot with 357 Mag. Winchester 1907 I believe was made in 1908 semi automatic 351 caliber has a couple of clips with it. It was predictable that the .356 Win. Please email us if you have questions about any of our product listings. 26" Barrel. Thats a question I just dont understand. In 1966 there was a gold miner that was hunting with Dad and I. You cant compare it to todays AR 15s. Specifically, they had a significant problem developing a caliber powerful enough to be suitable for big game, yet usable in the 1903 type blowback autoloading action. The .351 Winchester Self-Loading (also called .351 SL or .351 WSL) is an American rifle cartridge designed in 1906. Another article, said at first Winchester wanted to use the 32 WSL for WW2, but military brass wanted 30 caliber, so Winchester designed the 30 Carbine, still popular today. For hunting, it is considered a small-to-medium-game cartridge. That higher BC allows the .30-30 to maintain a flatter trajectory and buck the wind more effectively. Winchester 351 Self-Loading: Truly Amazing! sam be yourself net worth; used robalo boats for sale by owner; nolin lake ponderosa homes for sale; neville staple wife; university of miami pay grade scale c111 [1], The 835mm cartridge of the Ribeyrolles M1918 was based on the .351 SL. We offer rifle ammo in a number of calibers including 223 REMINGTON, 30 CARBINE, 300 WIN MAG, 307 WIN, 308 WIN, 375 WINCHESTER, 5.45 X 39MM, 7X64MM and more. As such, the following is for comparative information purposes only and should not be used to make precise predictions of the trajectory, performance, or true ballistics of any particular .30 M1 Carbine or .30-30 Winchester rounds for hunting, target shooting, plinking, or any other usage. the Marlin 336 seems to have a beefier action though and is more easily scoped than the earlier Winchesters. Dear Socialists: I have no money for you. He can be reached via email at [emailprotected], being one of the very first* intermediate calibers. Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Flintlock Misc, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Matchlock/Wheellock Misc, Century Arms International (CAI) - Rifles, Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Rifles (perc), Winchester Rifles - Modern Bolt/Auto/Single, Winchester Rifles - Pre-1899 Bolt/Single Shot, Century Arms International (CAI) - Pistols, Colt Automatic Pistols (.25, .32, & .380 cal), Colt Single Action Revolvers - Modern (22 Cal. Wish I could find the article. The trouble is, they didnt sell. Whitetail hunting strategies for the next generation. It was a 94 takedown that was returned to Winchester (per the family to be re-barreled) it was barreled with the front end of a Winchester takedown 55, comple 7677 Winchester Model 94AE, 30-30, NRA limited to 500, engraved Deer on receiver Adjustable rear sight, Winchester butt plate. The Model 351 C is an AirWeight variation of Smith & Wesson Centennial Model. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet weight, or jacketing type. As of 2017, Hawk bullets still makes .351 jacketed expanding bullets with jackets of appropriate thickness.[7]. And the Winner Is We have a variety of deals on Rifle Ammo, Handgun Ammo, Shotgun Ammo & Rimfire Ammo, as well as ammo for target practice, plinking, hunting, or shooting competitions. Winchester only sold about 29,000 Model 1905 rifles from 1905 to 1923. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. But they are so few in number that no general conclusion can be drawn from them. Make sure you subscribe toThe Big Game Hunting Podcastand follow The Big Game Hunting Blog onFacebook,Instagram,Twitter, andYouTube. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchester's popular lever-action lineup. All that being said, if one were interested in hunting with a very unique rifle that you would be very unlikely to encounter in the woods in the hands of another hunter, the Winchester Model 1907 and Model 1910 autoloaders in .351 Winchester or .401 Winchester would be a great choice. He killed a large 4x4 buck that day. and a 250-grain Partition load with a muzzle velocity of 2550 f.p.s. Does anyone know if any gunsmith ever converted a 30 Carbine to 32 WSL? Heres how the cartridges compare, pricewise. The .308 Win. He became convinced that faster, flatter-shooting cartridges would take game more reliably, and the resulting line of Weatherby Magnum cartridges has been doing just that since he founded Weatherby in 1945. Feel free to take a look below at our bulk rifle ammunition for sale, including hunting and training rounds in the the popular calibers. These cartridges stack up so closely from a ballistics standpoint that neither can claim to hit harder than the other. That is to say, .30 M1 Carbine bullets travel 2.3 times the speed of a 737 airplane at cruising speed, while .30-30 Winchester bullets travel 2.7 times that same speed. The .350 Legend has some catching up to do if it wants to rival its 127-year-old predecessor. With overall 50% blue mixing to dark brown patina. MADE IN 1911. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns, Henry Orginal Silver Deluxe Engraved .44-40 H011SD 24.5" EZ PAY $351, Smith & Wesson Model 351 PD .22 Magnum 1.875" 7 Rds Black 160228, Smith & Wesson 103351 Model 351 Classic 22 **10 MONTH FREE LAYAWAY**, Smith & Wesson Model 351 Classic AirLite 22 WMR 1.88" W 7 Rnd Capacity New (103351). Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. . It can be found, and reloading it should not be a problem. I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. WINCHESTER 07 351 SL 5RD Magazine; ORIGIN USA CALIBER .351 SL WEIGHT 7.75 LBS. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. The 32 WSL fired a 165 gr SP at 1390 fps, this duplicated the 32-40 ballistics, the 32-40 was considered good for deer. The 357 Magnum fired a 158 gr SP at 1240 fps. Plainfield Machine Corp. made a .30 caliber pistol from 1964 to 1983 named the "Enforcer". Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. The muzzle velocity was stated to be 1850 fps and the muzzle energy 1370 ft. lbs. I would like some information if possible on approximate value if in good usable condition. The leadership at Winchester realized that a large untapped market existed for the winner of the autoloader race, so they were determined to beat Remington to the punch and release their self-loading rifle first. WINCHESTER 06 22 S,L,LR. It seems to me that this would be a good time to bring back these cartridges in a modern semi auto or compact bolt action rifle. SMOOTH GRAY METAL WITH GOOD WOOD AND A DECENT BORE. Another comparison is a .357 Magnum cartridge fired from an 18" rifle barrel, which has a muzzle velocity range from about 1,7182,092ft/s (524638m/s) with energies at 7201,215ftlbf (9761,647J) for a 110gr (7.1g) bullet at the low end and a 125gr (8.1g) bullet on the high end.[11]. They would probably still be around today. Access the newest seasons of MeatEater, save content, and join in discussions with the Crew and others in the MeatEater community. NICE BORE. I think that the semi auto rifles were ahead of their time Sorry, there are no results in your area. Copyright 2023 Big Game Hunting Adventures LLC | All Rights Reserved, 25-06 vs 6.5 Creedmoor vs 270: The Results Might Surprise You, 6.5 Creedmoor vs 308 Winchester Debate Settled. Even today it occupies a strange halfway point between pistol and rifle cartridges, being similar in design to a long pistol round or magnum revolver round with its straight-walled case and round-nosed bullet, but loaded with rifle powders designed for the 18 barrel of the handy little M1 Carbine. Chambered for a .351-cal. The 35 WSL fired a 180 gr SP at 1390 fps, this duplicated the 38-40 ballistics. As illustrated in the chart, .243 Winchester rounds - on average - achieve a velocity of about 3180 feet per second (fps) while .30 M1 Carbine rounds travel at a velocity of 1990 fps. The .35 Rem. All Types (1000+) Townsend Whelen praised it as a "good cartridge for deer and similar game in close timber."[3]. What is the going price of an original box of 351 ammo. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. and .35 Rem., it was an excellent woods rifle for hunting whitetails. The competition in this category is just as close as ballistics, but right now, better availability gives the edge to the .350 Legend. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. ANTIQUE MADE IN 1891. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. Mag. 1 - Existing barrel making equipment could be made use of. These are a fun gun to have , shoot and collect. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. LENGTH OF MAGAZINE 5.99? I'm kind of surprised the .351 wasn't made originally to use .357 bullets, since that bore size had already been established by that point. WOOD HAS A REPAIRED CRACKS BUT IS SOLID. This is a bolt action rifle with a 5round internal magazine and sports a 22 blued steel barrel with visible rif WINCHESTER 06 22 S,L,LR. The .30 SL was an entirely conservative design, which hastened development considerably. to achieve its potential. The .350 wins that power matchup, but this 170-grain .30-30 option offers 1,827 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle while this heavier, 180-grain .350 Legend only produces 1,762 ft.-lbs. Townsend Whelen wrote back 100 years ago that the 32 WSL and 35 WSL were good deer cartridges for their ranges. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. However, the .401 Winchester Self-Loading, which was itself proceeded by the .351 Winchester Self-Loading, and the Winchester Model 1907 and 1910 rifles that fired those cartridges, all filled those roles many decades before anyone ever heard of the 10mm Auto,the AR-15, or the Ruger Mini-14. If the .35 Rem. The two really dont compare. Please click the above links to take a look at all of the .30 M1 Carbine and .30-30 Winchester ammo we have in stock and ready to ship, and let us know any parting thoughts in the comment section below. In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. Both clock in around 9 foot-pounds of energy, about half as much as a .308 Winchester. The Winchester 351 self-loading rifle is. Perhaps Military Rifle would have been a better term. Yeah. you can refer to it as "self loading" instead of semi auto and still have that "special feeling". I had Clay at prophet river in Alberta bring in 22 ;auto ammo for my 1903 22sl, they work good and are a run that Aquila runs once a year I believe, I ended up buying at least 800 or more rounds. necked up to .35 caliber. The first trigger housing used with an M1 Carbine was a modified Winchester M1907 trigger housing used in Winchester's first prototype submission to the Ordnance "light rifle" trials in August 1941.
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